The following are the outputs of the real-time captioning taken during the Eleventh Annual Meeting of the Internet Governance Forum (IGF) in Jalisco, Mexico, from 5 to 9 December 2016. Although it is largely accurate, in some cases it may be incomplete or inaccurate due to inaudible passages or transcription errors. It is posted as an aid to understanding the proceedings at the event, but should not be treated as an authoritative record.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: We have very distinguished speakers today. And, oh, before that, I'm supposed to be the moderator of this session, Masaaki Sakamaki, of the Japanese cell phone company, but formerly of the government. Actually, Vice Minister Suzuki was my very able colleague and I want to congratulate his promotion to vice minister. I'm also impressed that he put up with the 35 years of government job and I didn't expect that he would stay that long. I got out of it early.
Let me introduce the distinguished speakers: First, okay. Sitting by me, Mr. Suzuki, from the 2016 G7 host country, he is the vice minister for international affairs at the ministry of information and the internal affairs and communications. He helps the international policy and the policy coordination at the ministry.
And second, Mr. Stefan Schnorr, from the German government, which is a G20 presidency country ‑‑ direct general for the digital and innovation policy, federal ministry for economic affairs and energy. And, Ms. Megan Richards from European commission, she's a principal advisor to director general of DG connect. And Ms. Kathryn Brown, president and CEO of ISOC internet society. And Ms. Brown also participated in the G7 stakeholders conference. Thank you for taking that long trip to a remote island. I liked it there.
And Dr. Makoto Yokozawa. He spearheads the internet economy policy working group, the organization ‑‑Japanese business federation, it's the largest non‑profit organization, the members, so the mostly the members ‑‑major corporations in Japan.
And first, Mr. Suzuki is supposed to tell us all about the G7 summit and the ministerial meeting –- stakeholder conference.
>> MR. SHIGEKI SUZUKI: Thank you. I feel grateful to share my presentation with all of you. The results of the expansion of the G7 ICT meeting in Japan. My name is Shigeki Suzuki, and I serve as a vice minister for the international policy coordination at the minister of internal affairs and communications in Japan. Japan Health, the G7 ICT meeting in April -- my presentation today focused on the result of a discussion about internet governance, at the G7 meeting. The ICT multistakeholders conference was held with the participation of the industry and those with the government, etc.
On that day, just before the minister meeting in April. The result of the conference was reported as a G7 ICT minister meeting. A G7 ICT minister held a discussion with consideration ‑‑ and the result and the commendation from the multistakeholders conference. The G7 ICT ‑‑ result in three policy documents. After their discussion about the wide range with ICT issues.
They agreed on many of the recommendations with regard to the agreement on the internet governance, in particular the multistakeholders approach, and the maintenance of an openness of the internets was highlighted at the minister meeting, and reflected in the outcome documents. It can be said that their importance widely recognized again.
Incidentally, the G7 ICT meeting was held for the first time in the last 21 years. The previous G7 ICT meeting was held in Brussels in 1995 as an information society – meeting. At that time moderator, Mr. Sakamaki and I worked very hard. That year, in 1995, was a timing, the spread of the internet had started. In other words, it was a dawn of the internet. The G7 ICT meeting was held at the time with the participation of policy makers in charge of telecommunications and ‑‑ the information society. Over two decades have passed since then.
And the internet has regulated every corner of society and economy, and it began some infrastructure or platform that is indispensable, not only for the economy, but also for social life in general.
With the progress of the information society, better communications and broadband service have become widespread as means of communications. And now the IOT, the internet of things, is forthcoming, in which all things will be connected to the internet. Therefore, we thought that new ‑‑ policies are to be necessary and it was time to discuss them.
Globally connected to the world will be achieved in the near future, in which this divide will be bridged. All people and things will be connected to a network, and the large body of data will create economic and social innovations. We decided to ‑‑ the forthcoming world that this study connected world.
And discuss the visions and policies for that world. The internet has been devout with open participation of multistakeholders, the process of which has been maintaining the openness, transparency, and freedom of internet.
Therefore, we thought that the participation of multistakeholders would be necessary for discussions about policy guidelines for the forthcoming IOT, AI era. The multistakeholders conference was held the day before the G7 ICT ministers meeting. We had many experts representing their respective countries that participated who discussed topics along with the agenda of the G7 ICT minister meeting. The result was reported at the beginning of the meeting, and reflected in the G7 discussion. Next slide.
This resulted in three outcome documents. The first one is charter for the digitally connected world. It summarizes the principles from medium- to the long-term perspectives. The second is a joint declaration by G7 ministers, summarized concrete actions and measures to be taken from a short-term perspective based on the charter. Third is the G7 opportunity for collaboration as an annex is a correction of the collaboration action with the concrete efforts of each country.
The charter specifies three ideas as a goal to be achieved by society in the digitally connected world. The first one is improved quality of life, second is economic growth through innovation, and third is sustainable and inclusive development.
Then as fundamental principles to achieve these goals, the charter specified the focal point for us is promoting and protecting human rights. Second, promoting and protecting the free flow of information. Third is supporting a multistakeholder approach, fourth is strengthening digital connectivity and inclusiveness for all. On the basis of these principles, the charter supports strategies to achieve the potential of the digitally connected world.
These strategies, first is promoting access to the ICT, second is strengthening international collaboration, promoting the free flow of information, privacy, protection, and cyber security. Third is fostering innovation. Fourth is using ICT to address global challenges and opportunities, and strengthen comprehensive international cooperation and collaboration.
The joint declaration summarized concrete actions to achieve these strategies. In order to achieve the action plans, G7 opportunities for collaborations as an annex was compiled with the correction of collaborative actions, enabling each country to share information to explore an expansion of their collaboration.
The joint declaration will concretely specify the action to be promoted by each country such as bridging divides and promoting and protecting the free flow of information. These actions and measures, the G7's commitment in pursuit of driving the movement of digitalization in the world, maximizing the benefit of economic growth and social reform through innovations. And enabling the global community including ‑‑ and developing countries to share the result. These plans will not be accomplished by only the G7 ‑‑ developing country.
The understanding and cooperation of all countries, people are indispensable to the accomplishment of the plans. In that sense, today's opportunity here in the IGF where many stakeholders of the worldwide internet community gather, exactly meets the purpose of the government of Japan and the G7 countries. In the future, we look to disseminate the result of the G7 ICT meeting in Japan, in many countries, these are the people through -- international conference.
A major part of the outcome was reflected in the OECD minister meeting in June and the G20 summit in September, and the Apex and Asian summits also. A meeting to pull up the progress of the achievement was held in Brussels on Dec 2. It was a meeting to discuss how we should implement these achievements towards next year's G7 summit and ICT meeting in Italy. I would like to keep this momentum by reporting as IGF today, we are hoping that we can share the same understanding with a wide range of stakeholders, so leading to our collaboration with them.
We have had director general Stefan Schnorr attended as, from the German today, Germany as a G20 presidency is going to host the next G20 ICT ministers meeting. From now on, we would like to discuss with stakeholders of various countries and visions for the agenda of next year's G7 and G20 in pursuit of more achievement. And we would like to promote the cooperation of stakeholders, not only the G7 and G20 countries, but also in various places and strive to achieve the digitally connected world and disseminate its benefit and make progress with all of you. Thank you all for listening so attentively.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you, Mr. Suzuki, for sharing the information. And also the number of public policy agenda that came out of the G7 meeting. Appreciate it.
Now then we could have European views from distinguished speakers from EC commission and the German government, can we have miss Megan Richards?
>> MEGAN RICHARDS: Thank you very much. It's a pleasure to be here, of course, and we are very pleased that the last G7 summit included the ICT minister's discussion. As you said, it was a long time since the is last discussion on this issue took place in the context of G7, although the ‑‑ principles also related to internet policies, et cetera.
Of course, it's so particularly important for our modern economies and their societies to address these issues, we so really appreciate the effort that Japan did and all of the G7 participants and we are looking forward to seeing this carried forward in the next discussions in Italy and also of course in the G20 discussions as well. And I think one other aspect that I wanted to underline in particular was the aspects of having a multi stakeholder contribution, it's very important to hear the ideas and the contributions from other stakeholders.
I also want to identify what we are doing in Europe in the context of encouraging free flow of data, access to the internet, and fostering innovation. In Europe, we have digital single market initiative which follows on from what we call the digital agenda for Europe, and this is to try to ensure that these activities are brought forward to enable a better use of information and communication technologies, which of course are under pinned by the internet in our economy and our society.
And even though we try to improve and make a real digital single market within Europe, this doesn't mean that it closes the borders of Europe to the rest of the world. On the contrary, have a good solid robust single digital market makes Europe more open and accessible to the rest of the world, a better trading partner and easier to have relations and exchanges with other parts of the world.
I think that's a really important element that I wanted to underline. I won't go into all of the details of what we are doing in terms of free flowing of data and foster innovation and research or in access to the internet, but those form some of the basic pillars. Of our digital single market strategy.
We are working not just with the other states in the European union but also the council of ministers and the European parliament. There are 13 members of the European parliament here and they are following the discussions very closely. I wanted to underline this they have a particular interest in this.
The other areas that we are working on in the context of the digital single market relate to cyber security, and making sure that the internet is stable and secure and can work in a more robust and secure way in the future. And there, of course, we are very much actively working with other stakeholders with the private sector and making sure that we have a good public/private partnership.
In addition to a series of legislative initiatives that have been taken. So, one area where we think more work could be done in the future, and we think an area that is a particular interest to the G7 and probably in the G20 context, could be brought forward as well, is in the area of internet and jurisdiction. This is an issue which has particular resonance for governments but it affects everyone.
How do we manage the cross border of the internet, based on the jurisdictional principles, this is a challenge for everyone and I think that a lot of work has already been done by a number of interested parties, in a multi stakeholders context but we think that the G7 as forum that would push forward on this issue. We hope this is something that could be brought forward into the G7 discussion in Italy next year.
So I apologize profusely that I have to go to another meeting at 1:00, but my colleague will stay on, and I will hear the results of your discussions and I wanted to thank again the Japanese for your initiative in this and continuing the work and we expect our Italian partners to bring this forward in the future. Thank you very much, and the ‑‑ in G20.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you. I understand the German government is working on the action plan and other goals listed in the G7 minister meetings, so could we have some views of the German government on these issues?
>> MR. STEFAN SCHNORR: Yes, thank you very much, Mr. Suzuki, ladies and gentlemen, it's a great pleasure for me to be here with you today as a representative of the German government. I look forward to discussing the importance, the implementation of the results of the G7 final documents with you.
The G7 meeting of the ICT ministers was indeed the first one for decades in which ICT and digital issues were discussed at a dedicated ministerial conference. We are very grateful to our Japanese colleagues for taking up important digital policy issues and discussing them in the G7 context during the Japanese presidency.
Even more important, it's now that we have achieved good results in Takamatsu. Let me stress one point in which I would particularly like to highlight here at the IGF, the commitment to the magistrate for internet governance anchored in the ‑‑ for the digitally connected world. Germany finally supports this model both at the national and international level. The decision to transfer stewardship – on the first of October marks a further milestone in this magistrate model. The German government represented by the economic affairs ministry was involved in this discussion.
And I, myself, attended the key meeting in March at which joint proposal by the various stakeholder groups was presented. Ladies and gentlemen, the ICT ministerial conference adopted a charter for a digitally connected world and a joint declaration. These documents contained a whole range of tasks and objectives and it would certainly take me far too long to list all the steps we have taken in Germany to bring our country into a digitally connected world.
Therefore, I simply will give you some short examples. Point 1: Building up a gigabit fiber optic network for Europe and Germany by 2025. This will involve setting the right framework conditions at both national and European levels. Beyond this, our goal is also to step up an investment fund for the future with the volume of around 10 billion Euros for Germany, this is to enable all rural areas right across Germany to be connected up to gigabit networks.
Point 2: A new age of entrepreneurship. Entrepreneurs provide new ideas and think about the economy in new ways. In 2050, the total of around 100 billion US dollars were invested in startups around the globe. In the EU, the figure was around 12 million Euros, 3 million Euros of which was invested in Germany, with 2 million in Berlin alone. Last year, startups created 50,000 new jobs in Germany.
Point 3, creating a regulatory framework toward greater investment and innovation. Our national and European regulatory framework needs to be modernized in order to provide the right stimulus for the digital market to grow and become stronger. For example, anti‑trust, merger control, regulatory experiment rooms for technologies and business models.
Point 4: Pushing forward with smart networking in the core areas with our economy. Our smart network initiative supports the digitalization of key infrastructure in education, energy, healthcare, transport, and public administration.
The initiative aims to make better use of the social and commercial opportunities deriving from digital connectivity in these five areas of infrastructure. It can lead to overall benefits of allowing 56 billion Euros per year.
Point 5: Strengthening data security and data protection. Over the last two years, some 51% of companies in Germany have fallen victim to cyber crime. We need to be in a position to create our security ecosystems for both software and hardware.
Point 6: Enabling new business models to be designed and used by SMEs, the craft sector, and in services. The aim is to support German SMEs in mastering the challenge of digitalization mainly by providing support and information services that are tailored to their needs, for example, by special competence interests for SME's that were built nationwide in Germany.
Point 7: Using industry 4.0 to modernize Europe and Germany as a base for production. This process is being accelerated through the platform industry. This platform is jointly headed by the economic affairs ministry and the research ministry, as well as key representatives from industry and industry associations. The industry ‑‑ this is the German metalworkers union, and the ‑‑ society has developed into one of the world's largest networks in the field of internet of things.
More than 300 stakeholders represented more than 150 organizations have joined the platform. Particularly they want to help small and medium sized enterprises to get involved for industry 4.0. At the same time, the platform is also producing recommendations for government, for example, regarding changes to legal framework or of the design of R&D policy. This is policy advice in real time.
Point 8: Bringing research, development and innovation in digital technology to a competitive level. We need significantly boost funding for such and development in the area of digitalization of the economy. We also need to step up our efforts to intensify research and development projects at the pre‑competitive stage. Point 9: Enabling people at every stage of life to participate in digital training.
Europe, we need an additional 3.5 million IT experts by 2020. We published a green paper in March of this year, this is continuing a broad ‑‑ process in Germany in a regulatory framework for the economy and it will feed into a paper next year that consists of policies, measures, and goals. As far as my brief overview, thank you very much, I think it's important now that we all work together in these issues. Thank you.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you, that was very important. And now we turn to the private sector view, and Doctor Yokozawa.
>> DR. MAKOTO YOKOZAWA: I should be very brief, I would like to hear from many people supporting these issues. I am just highlighting and echoing what we have discussed already which is a multistakeholder model in the G7 process. And I think this will be the first one in this very important minister meeting and including the ICTs. So, just, could you just switch to my slides here?
Okay. I will continue my explanation. And I would like to answer, what was the meaning of the Takamatsu for business. I'm a vice chair of the internet economy working group, which is a Japanese business federation, and I have some role in the advisory board. And also some experience in ‑‑ so this particular G7 meeting was a very good - Thank you very much, was very, very good. Yes.
The forum for the - I would say this is a monetized, stakeholder-ized Takamatsu. This is a multistakeholders conference, and this picture is of Kathryn Brown, this is you. So, this is a back-to-back government discussion, and we had a multistakeholder conference like this. And also we had some separate meeting for youth and the university students and the Takamatsu high school students, that's very interesting, similar to the youth here at IGF in Mexico. So the multistakeholder-ized G7 meeting, what is the meaning for a business? This could be a very good question.
We as a business, we have highlighted very important concept in the ICT policies, which is the Industry 4.0 and Society 5.0. This is a totally new ecosystem based on the ICT, which covers Society as a whole, and the Japan Business Federation is collaboratively promoting this idea as the next step innovation and proposal from Japan.
And the example in business in Society 5.0 covers the remote sensing and remote control over the internet, in many cases cross-border operation, and the automation and artificial intelligence in the post-ubiquitous network society. We have discussed all of these things.
And why does Society 5.0, or Industry 4.0 need multistakeholderism and the free flow of information? This is a very, very good question. I'm trying to answer to this, and because of the time saving, I would like to just highlight some of the points, that the geolocation binding is not productive, in the ICT-supported society.
And also the servicification, which is an ingredient of both Society and Industry, needs information flow to make the most of scale benefit including the cloud computing and the cloud services. So, for this reason, we need a free flow of information, particularly which was discussed in the G7 meeting, so we highly appreciate that.
And this is the graphic, Society 5.0, but if someone is interested in this, I would very much be happy to show you later or ‑‑ as an opportunity. Thanks.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you. We have ISOC represented today, also professor ‑‑ who is a board member, I thank you for joining us today. Please.
>> MS. KATHRYN BROWN: Thank you. Again, for this opportunity to participate in these important conversations. Vice minister, I was honored to be here. I was honored to be invited to the multistakeholders session that was held the day before the ministerial. I think that what I would like to focus is on why the Japanese of government's first hosting of the G7 ministerial on ICT was so important, and secondly, why their modeling the multistakeholder model for what was an intergovernmental meeting was also a break through and so very important.
I would note first that the Japanese internet community is quite familiar and quite good with respect to a multistakeholder approach to the technological advancements that have happened and continue to happen in Japan.
My colleague and others in the chapter in Japan have really developed a way to bring stakeholders together for very important issues, including issues around the internet of things, issues around security, and many other things where they do a very fine and very efficient job of ensuring that they reach consensus on important technical and policy matters.
So I would say that Japan, and I have said this since the G7, is a beacon for other governments and for us as multistakeholders participants in how this can actually work in reality.
So why is it so important, then, that this approach was taken at the first G7 ICT ministerial in 20 years? Because I think it reflected quite well the actual state of the internet as it exists today. And that is as a complex distributed Trans‑national network of networks. The discussions of the G7 of course are about mutual issues of economic growth and resiliency and mutual aid in some respects all across the years.
It is indeed odd that one hadn't discussed the effect of the internet on this inter-related economic group of nations before then. So that it was discussed in this year, is a good thing, and that it modeled how the discussions should go forward, I think, is actually quite promising.
The year before, in December, the world's nations had come together in the review of the document where in the, all of the nations of the world discussed how they would think about they growth of the internet cross a so year period and came back so years later and tipped the box of things they thought would happen and actually noted things that went beyond their expectations.
The nations also adopted an output document that clearly embraced the multistakeholder process as the way we would governor ourselves as nations, as nation statements, as an international community, both at the global level, at the sovereign state level and at the local level, how we would govern ourselves with respect to the evolution, the use, and the issues that would arise on the internet.
In this international arena, we were able to discuss with the various governments what we thought were the fundamental issues that needed to be embraced before any other conversations could really happen with respect to the economic implications of the internet. And so I look to and think of as very noteworthy conclusions of the declaration that came out, they pledge to promote internet openness and to protect the free flow of information. 2: An agreement to promote privacy and data protection, including a suggestion and recommendation we made for a proactive approach to privacy by design.
And third, a commitment to promote a collaborative approach in addressing issues of cyber security. I find these agreements quite profound, and I find them legitimate, because the discussion took into consideration the views of those stakeholders at the table, which included the technical community, the civil society, and business, who had offered and discussed with the ministers these very important 21st century internet issues.
So that we would think about this kind of process, when dealing with the internet, seems, in my mind, absolutely necessary and clear. But let's pause for a moment and consider that most of the intergovernmental conversations that are going on today do not include the stakeholders which will be affected by the outcome of those discussions.
In this case, where, as I describe it, the internet is the economic backbone, it is the spinal cord of the global economy, how can we discuss the implications without understanding the full extent of both the opportunities and the challenges which the internet presents in today's very interrelated economies.
So as we go forward to the G7 next year, which I hope in my beautiful friend's country of Italy, we are hoping, we would hope that our chapter there will be as active at our chapter in Japan to remind our government that this is really the path forward.
We know that when we go to the G20, that Germany has already extended invitations to various stakeholders. Thank you very much. We, again, are honored as the internet society, to be at the able, to ensure that that conversation is multistakeholder as well. We would ask the governments of Italy and the governments of Germany to follow the, I think, amazingly prescient approach of Japan and ensure that the fundamental issues that we have decided upon as a global community, and that the G7 in particular has led with respect to openness, freedom, privacy, data protection, and collaboration that they be embraced by you.
I am asking very specifically that the issue of cyber security be at the top of the list in a way that does not assume that anyone government, or any group of governments has a single answer for the trust issues that are now presented by the very facts of the complexity of the internet that has grown.
That decision, to open the discussion around security, around trust, around how the vulnerabilities of the network, the socioeconomic issues, and the political issues that are affecting both the growth and evolution of the internet and its affect on our citizens must be open and must include the relevant stakeholders.
Again, I want to thank the government of Japan for giving me this opportunity. And I look forward to the discussion.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you, Ms. Brown, one of the most influential in the internet community. I thank you for the good work. We appreciate the contributions to the internet community as a multistakeholder ‑‑and we are running short of time and we want to have questions answer and answer time. I will try, before that, could we have one more comment from the G20 presidency, government, the German government, and then we will try to have an interactive discussion. Sorry.
>> MR. STEFAN SCHNORR: Thank you. At the beginning of this ‑‑ Jeremy holds the G20 presidency, the focus will be on liberating the opportunities and coping with the challenges of an increasingly digital world. Digitalization is a driving force for growth both for individual countries and for the global economy as a whole. In particular, digital technologies can contribute to innovation in products, processes, and organization structures.
They often view opportunities for business, workers, and citizens to engage in economic activity and to enhance efficiency. At the same time new technologies can affect the world of work in certain sectors, and may increase gaps in excess and use resulting in a new digitally wide and greater in equality.
It is therefore a challenge to ensure that the benefits of the digital economy are widely shared and inclusive.
To unleash the potential of the digitalization can have for innovation, growth and employment, it is important to identify and overcome barriers and to put the necessary conditions and frameworks in place.
If we are to reap the benefits of digitalization, we need to harmonize standards so that businesses and, governments, and individuals can take full advantage of the opportunities. In the first step, we could develop a common understanding in the G20 group and actions such as digitalization of the manufacturing industry, smart cities and smart mobility.
In a further step, we could work towards developing a joint action plan for standards, which recognizes that internationally Harmonize standards and policies are a precondition for the integration of new policies.
To bring G20 members even closer to teaching our common digital goals, the German ministry of economic affairs and ministry will host a G20 digital ministers meeting in Dusseldorf on the 6th and 7th of April next year. This will be the first one in the G20 context.
On the first day of the meeting, a multistakeholder conference on digitalization is scheduled. It will involve business and self societies and overall stakeholders in the process. Day two will give the platform to the ministers themselves to discuss policies for the future. We hope that we can also in good 20 context reach good goals in these fields and it is clear that this must be the start point for the common work in the next years, so thank you very much.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you. I think we have time for one or two questions for the internet of discussion. But please ‑‑ yes?
>> AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: Okay. I wanted to say that I do not represent the government now, because I am the chair of the Italian chapter of the internet society. But in the past, I had a lot of experience as a government representative and actually, especially in 2011, I was digital share part for foreign affairs ministry in France for the meeting in France, and we elaborated a good document regarding the management of the internet.
And so I'm glad that now you broach this -- G7, G20, I consider it normally multilateral organizations. But to bring this into the multistakeholder agenda is essential. I thank you very much for this occasion. And so then I will report to the governor that is preparing this next meeting, that will be held in Sicily, apparently. And so I hope that this will become something very important for the future of this kind of meetings.
And actually something like that started with Canada in 1995, that they set up 12 projects for the experimentation of the internet society. That's a good approach to be more coordinated and convincing. Thank you.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you. Please, yes.
>> AUDIENCE PARTICIPANT: Yes, thank you, UK government, UK is one of the G7. First of all, deep appreciation for Japan and their presidency this year of the G7 and hosting an ICT ministerial conference, a very successful conference, it's been noted in earlier presentations at this meeting. And we were very appreciative indeed in showing that a G7 made a very solid commitment to supporting the multistakeholder process.
And there was a multistakeholder conference and we had inputs into the process of finalizing the G7 charter and declaration and indeed the annex of opportunities for collaboration, we have a number of projects there. UK projects that we have included in the G7 text, relating to smart cities, G5, innovation, digital access, including opportunities to collaborate on promoting access in developing countries, in Africa and so on.
So the G7 process has been significant on a number of levels in terms of addressing key challenges for the global digitalization of economy and enhancing social welfare and so on. We look forward very much to continuing this important dialogue of examining issues and opportunities under the Italian presidency next year and following the summit, which Stefan mentioned, in May, there will be an ICT ministerial conference on the 26th and 27th of September, and there will be a much stakeholder conference there.
We are very, from the UK, we were very supportive of ensuring that the inputs from stakeholders through convening of a conference for private sectors and others to contribute and that will then inform and can relate to what we discussed as the G7 group of government, so we look forward very much to that vital linkage with all stakeholders in preparing the next step for the G7 on the ICTs and all the issues that we are going to address. So I wanted to make that point very clear, the UK will continue to support that process of inclusive dialogue in the G7. Thank you.
>> MR. MASAAKI SAKAMAKI: Thank you. I think we are out of time. I would like to thank the speakers for sharing with us a very important policy agenda today, and also to the, all the participants in this room today, thank you for joining us, this concludes this meeting.