Best practices as a way of building capacity - what has actually been done to solve specific problems

16 September 2010 - A Workshop on Internet Governance for Development in Vilnius, Lithuania

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>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Hi.  Sorry for late starting of this workshop.  Okay.  This is the best practices as way of building capacity, what can actually be done to solve specific problems.  So we are talking about the IPv6 in this session.  I am Shoko Mikawa from IPv6 Promotion Council in Japan.  I am one of the panelists today for this workshop, but since the actual workshop organizer is in Malaysia right now, he is connected to this conferencing thing but we still cannot hear him.  We have some audio problem.  So we are just going to start with our presentations over here, and then after the audio problem is solved, then we will hear them from the (off microphone).
Today we have Latif Ladid from -- on-line, we can see him on-line.  And we have Edmon Chung, vice chancellor.  And we have Raja Kumar.  As I said he's connected but we cannot hear him still.  We have Edwin Purwandesi, and I'm Shoko Mikawa from IPv6 Promotion Council in Japan.  And Lai Heng Choong from .my DOMAIN REGISTRY.


>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Okay.  So I think, can we hear you, Latif?  Can you say something from the line?  Maybe not yet.  So please let us know when he can talk to us.  Okay?
Okay.  So let's start with Edmon's presentation.  Can you go?

>> EDMON CHUNG: Sure.  Thank you, and thank you for having me here.  I have a set of slides, just -- thank you for the -- bringing it up.  But just -- when it comes up you will see that it's -- the deck of slides actually prepared by Chi Hu Chang.  Chi Hu is also -- he's actually the expert in IPv6 in Hong Kong.  He runs the Hong Kong Internet Exchange.  So unfortunately he cannot be here so I'm trying to deliver this for him.
And myself, as mentioned, I'm Edmon Chung, also from Internet site in Hong Kong.  So we will talk a little bit about what's going on and what we have been doing in Hong Kong to promote IPv6 and get it into actual deployment and working.
So when we start off, in fact, right now, surprisingly some people think Hong Kong might be technically relatively savvy but we are actually quite lagging behind in IPv6, but we are catching up.  In the last nine, ten months we have been catching up quickly through some of the events and initiatives that we have launched, one of which is IPv6, if you check out the Web site it's, we not only archive some of the Web sites in Hong Kong -- or Web -- not only Web but networks in Hong Kong that support IPv6, it's also a series of conferencing and seminars to help promote the awareness and the importance of moving to IPv6.
Right now most of the backbone ISPs are able to provide IPv6 service.  However, retail ISPs really aren't selling anything.  They're not really providing IPv6 address much.  Definitely not for residential broadband service either.
In terms of mobile operators, we're excited to see that through some of our work, they're starting to test out IPv6 so that I think it's -- it's a very good sign.  However, content providers, portals and Web sites are, you know, pretty much completely -- I shouldn't use the word "ignorant" but they're not very ready for IPv6 at this point and they probably don't see the urgency at this point, which obviously is one of the things we're trying to address.
In terms of government -- the government actually in Hong Kong has been working hard on the issue, which is a good sign for us.  They're testing out and, you know, they're deploying it out into a much bigger scale.  A lot of the government Web sites now have -- are IPv6 accessible.  Universities, again, they are -- in terms of the IPv6 readiness, they have the transport enabled.  However, when I go to the next slide you will see a lot of the applications, however, are not IPv6 enabled at this point.
We do have one public IPv6 tunnel broker providing free service in Hong Kong, which we are -- which we are quite excited about and we promote them quite a bit.  We -- we also work with -- we started an IPv6 working group and also work with the cyber port in Hong Kong for IPv6 -- on the IPv6 forum.
So, you know, I was talking about the universities being capable of IPv6 transport, but when you look at the actual applications, you see that you know, based on our studies a lot of the mail, the NTP and many -- the Web services are still not IPv6 ready, except for Chinese university, which at least the Web site now is -- can be accessed through IPv6 network.
So this is -- this is what Chi Hu works on is the Hong Kong Internet Exchange, and in terms of the IPv6 deployment, a lot of the work and a lot of the information is actually provided through the HEIX services and and -- very early on in -- since March of 2004, the IX are already supporting dual stack.  Today it's growing.  The number of AS networks that are on IPv6 at the HIX has grown.  You know, every month it's actually growing so we're seeing a good response there, but in traffic, however, it's still relatively small.  I think that's the case for a lot of the IPv6 networks as well, but I think that doesn't take away from the importance of the deployment.  So right now at the IX only less than 1% of the traffic is from the IPv6 versus the IPv4.
Some participants, just to highlight, I think most of the -- the highlighted ones are the ones that are fully v6 enabled and you can see that some of when -- some of them actually are v6 exclusive.  So most of the ISPs -- as I mentioned, most of the ISPs and some of the content provider -- well, Google is an interesting one.  It's sort of an ISP as well as a content provider.  It does not provide ISP services, but it does have the capabilities.
And so most of the providers are participating in IPv6 at HIX right now.  PCVW is sort -- it's sort of the incumbent in Hong Kong and they're fully on.
As I mentioned, however, one of the issues is that the applications are still not aware.  The content providers are still lagging quite a bit behind, and not a lot of people are aware, really, how -- actually how easy is to get IPv6 address space at this point, so that hopefully brings some awareness.  Would encourage more people to move towards IPv6 because we all know that IPv4 addresses are running out, and right now IPv6 addresses are much easier to get, actually.
In terms of some TLD servers that are in Hong Kong, Dot HK, we're glad that it's fully compliant, fully supporting IPv6 already, Dot H, actually where I work, is also fully supportive.  The problem there, however, our registrars, not all the registrars who provide domain registrations, not all of them are fully supporting IPv6 addresses to be added to the DNS, so -- because the registrars manage the DNS information that is being put into the top-level domain as well, so that, I think, needs to be worked on further as well.
So as I mentioned, the mail servers, the Web servers, those are still clearly important, but I think this is an old story now.  There was a -- when YouTube moved over to IPv6, that created a jump, and that was also seen around, and I think a lot of the networks are now aware that it is -- it is possible and it is -- in fact, it is urgent to move towards IPv6.
So in terms of the activities we have done to help promote it, Chang, as I mentioned, he's the inventor of the IPv6 Working Group which we started in February of 2008, and throughout last year and this year we have had a lot of events.  In June '09, in November '09 -- November '09, last year, is actually when the IPv6 initiative started, and do check it out because one of the features of the site is that when you log on you would be prompted to -- you would see whether your network right now connecting to that Web site is actually on a v6 network, so we thought that was a pretty cool feature.
And so throughout many -- many events, ISOC events, INET, APNIC events and APRICOT, we have been trying very hard to promote the -- I guess the message of moving toward IPv6, and I think we're excited that we're seeing some good momentum now in Hong Kong versus about a year ago, but we're still -- we're still well -- well -- far from a place where we are fully ready for when the v4 address space runs out in about a year's time.
So just pretty much the last slide here, we have -- the reason we were able to do that, we have a lot of partners in Hong Kong, especially from the government -- the government chief information office is a very strong supporter, and of course Chi Hu's Hong Kong -- my organisation, actually, dotAsia, side report and many other commercial and supporting associations.  
So I think it's -- it's always been the sort of, for lack of a better word, gospel of last little while is take action now, IPv6 is important, and I think what I'd like to leave with is also that awareness-building actually works.  I mean, doing a lot of events locally, letting people see what's -- how it works, it really -- is really important, and yes, you have to repeat it a thousand times before you see anything, but that's the only -- you know, that's the way to sort of do it as far as -- well, at least as much as we have tried so far.  Thank you.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you very much, Edmon.  Actually he's joining another workshop and he has to leave this room.  But before he's leaving, do you have any questions from the floor?  Okay.  Go ahead.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Hi.  (off microphone) from NIC dot (inaudible) from Brazil.  You mentioned that you have (off microphone).  You have quad-A only.  Is it possible to register (off microphone) only quad-A group?

>> EDMON CHUNG: Yes, it is possible, actually.  But last I checked there hasn't been any registrations like that.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: What kind of capacity are you talking about?  Is it one-hour speech, is it a day formation?  What kind of formation are you working with?

>> EDMON CHUNG: You mean for dotAsia or Dot HK or -- you mean how --

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: You mentioned some events and some capacity building with the people.  What kind of capacity building are you talking about?  Are they courses, long course?  Speech?  Short speech?

>> EDMON CHUNG: Both of which.  I think there -- we -- the reason why I think it worked is that we have sort of two streams, if you will, one focusing more on management, letting them know what -- those would be more speeches, sort of seminars kind of thing.  But we also have technical workshops, which APNIC helps us a lot with that.  So we have technical -- expertise from APNIC which actually conduct workshops with local ISPs and engineers and those type of workshops.  So a two-stream approach is sort of important.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: You're working specifically with gov -- governments?

>> Yes, governments.

>> EDMON CHUNG: Well as I mentioned the Hong Kong government has been very supportive in the process, so again, there are a few prongs, if you will, one of which is getting them to come to the events so that we can -- we can attract the business decision makers to those events, such that, you know, they -- they can -- we can spread the gospel in that way.  (chuckle).
And the other part is to getting government networks to be -- you know, to be fully v6 enabled.  So I think those are the two main areas, and of course funding and those kind of support from the government was important.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you.  I have a question myself (chuckle).  In Japan we are trying to promote IPv6, but many of the company or many people say that it is very hard to persuade the management-level people.  Do you have any (off microphone) that you are doing in the Hong Kong chapter to persuade the management levels of the company to promote IPv6 in your country?

>> EDMON CHUNG: That's a very interesting question.  Probably Chi Hu would be more qualified to answer, but I guess from some of the learning, as I mentioned, getting the government involved helps.  I think in the Asian context especially, businesses do look to what the government is doing.  So that -- and having government officials come to the meetings help attract the business managers, and therefore we can -- we can better communicate with them.
But one of the things that we are trying is to -- oh, actually, two sides trying.  One side is to try to shame those who are not compliant with the IPv6 world initiative.  The other one is to say that it's actually easier for you to get IPv6 now, so if you need a larger network, it's actually more economical, because when you hit the economic side we get a few more ears listening.  So I guess part of the learning is that -- yeah.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you very much.  Okay.  Oh, okay.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Okay.  So I'm ready.  So this (off microphone) is (off microphone) for IPv6, but most of the (off microphone) is not.  There are still -- there is someplace to (off microphone) dot (off microphone) is that any incentive for (off microphone) or for the governments or (off microphone)?  So things like that?

>> EDMON CHUNG: That's a very interesting question, whether we would provide some, I guess, monetary incentive for people to have IPv6 address.  Speaking as dotAsia, I wear a different hat, sort of bringing it on something else.  But we can -- blaming it on something else.  But we can blame it on Web hosting.  When you register a DNS domain, there's no hosing, there's no way to hang your name servers or Web service on.  But I think that -- I think it's a good -- interesting suggestion.  I'm not sure that kind of -- because domain registrations, as you understand, is actually not a very big amount.  So the amount of incentive we can provide (chuckle) to people to move to IPv6 I don't think would be enough, but it is definitely an interesting idea.  We'll take it back.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: I think most of the hosting company or registrar -- they are hosting company that provide (off microphone).  So if you (off microphone) DNS.  So if you do provide incentive to this registrar, so then you're more aggressive to provide v6 hosting to (off microphone).

>> EDMON CHUNG: That is kind of interesting, because as I mentioned, any kind of economic thing makes more people listen, and I think that that is actually an interesting idea.  I'll definitely take it back and further study it.  Maybe it would help -- at least if it -- even if it does not help, like, market more domain names, at least their promotion of it helps the IPv6 message being brought out.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you.  Okay.  So let's move to Edwin's presentation.

>> EDWIN PURWANDESI: Thank you very much for giving me time for presentation.  My name is Edwin Purwandesi.  I'm from Indonesia.  Actually I work for TELKOM Indonesia for 11 years, and also I represent IPv6 task force, and also Indonesian IPv6 forum.  I think maybe you have a question about why we have two board for IPv6 in Indonesia.  That's because IPv6 task force launched by government, so the main thing -- the main -- the main work for the task force is to create regulation.  But for the -- for the more informal cooperation or cooperative works, we create IPv6 forum.  So the vendors join in the forum.  
But in the task force we -- we provide only regulation.  That's because also some (off microphone) maybe coming from other countries.  We couldn't receive the fund in task force, so we receive this fund in the forum.  That's why we have two for IPv6 in Indonesia.  I call my presentation (off microphone) as a milestone of IPv6 implementation.  Actually, we have first (off microphone) of task force (off microphone) since 2006, so I try to remembering our (off microphone) that provide in 2006.  
Our style, our (off microphone) style from the first task force is up here, so we just -- we just try to -- try to ask providers, try to ask operators to create -- to begin planning of IPv6 (off microphone).  That's because I think for -- I feel 2005, IPv6 still has strange term in Indonesia, since you know that maybe Indonesia quite late to enter the Internet.  So as you know, we don't have class 6 IPv4 in Indonesia, so we just have some B class in Indonesia.  That's -- that's figure out how Internet in Indonesia.
Okay.  The next is we do IPv6 (off microphone) in Indonesia as voluntary work, so built -- building was done by volunteers.  So many Indonesians -- many maybe programmers did some works for IPv6 by volunteer.  So you mean sometimes our boss didn't know that we try -- or we practice IPv6 thing, like maybe create local (off microphone) work -- IPv6 or create some application like radio streaming or -- videoed streaming.
So the thing for the first -- for the -- the main thing from the first iteration of IPv6 task force is to try to adopt experiences from other countries to be (off microphone) in our country.  And also for the first generation of IPv6 task force we work only -- built trial allocation from every -- I mean, IPv6 trial allocation from (off microphone).  This is the formal definition of IPv6 task force, the first generation of IPv6 task force.  So I think many item from this -- from this chapter is very good, but I think there are only sitting in theory, not in practice, so that's why we called the first generation of IPv6 task force is try to approach -- only approach, not (off microphone) ISP or ISP operators to claim implementation.
Actually, this task force consists of a person from our ICT ministry and also from association, also from a community.  So actually our stake -- all stakeholders are represented in this task force, but the main thing is not the representation or the person that's sitting on there but the problem is how to create real action in this first step -- in this first-generation IPv6 task force.  I think you can skip it.
So as you see in this page, we create very good planning, and very optimistic target for IPv6 (off microphone), but while this action go back to -- go back each company or each operator, the boss said that we -- we still in IPv4 step.  We have to wait for some times or some years, maybe, so the plan still as a plan, not become real action.
Actually right now, right now, as a result of the first generation IPv6 task force, we actually have a trial configuration like this.  So there are some big -- some big operators that currently connected to the trial networks.  And this is all of IPv6 solution that right now assigned in Indonesia.
So I want to -- I try to create reason for the first creation of IPv6 task force, that there are two approach -- there are two approaches from -- there are two different approaches from the commission and from the (off microphone).  Our managers always say that there are still some issues before planning and implementing IPv6, but the technician I think takes some time to create some evidence to -- to convince their boss to achieve their planning to implementing IPv6 in (off microphone).
So maybe something like two different work, two different work, the beginning, the technician and the management.  So that's the problem among the first IPv6 task force.
So for this problem we try to create some action that we call (off microphone).  The objective for the (off microphone) activities is to create a software (off microphone).  The software (off microphone) is not to create very global (off microphone), so we have to reach -- I mean, detail activities from each segment of stakeholders, I mean -- some from operators, some from ISPs, some from (off microphone) and some other areas.
The second is to accommodate all the stakeholders, so I think we heard about that -- even we -- even we provide IPv6 in our (off microphone), we still couldn't sell to others if we don't provide the content, something like Web hosting, mail hosting and some other (off microphone).  So our -- our colleagues in my company create some specific contents, like radio streaming, video streaming.  
Two, problem with IPv6.  I think -- I think all person that involved in IPv6 from the beginning know about the, because GP is very famous Web site to show the differentiation between IPv4 and IPv6.  Since if we assess it by IPv4, we couldn't see that the (off microphone) are dancing but with IPv6 we can see that the (off microphone) are dancing.  So something like this that could invite people to try IPv6.
The last -- this is to be in line with national programmes.  I want to say that in Indonesia right now we have many projects that I think must -- must inject -- (off microphone) by IPv6 vision.  You know that we have national single identity and also Internet for ARIA, that all of the projects need resources of I.D. addresses.  So by in line to this programme we can promote IPv6 faster than before.  
So I say -- I want to -- I want to figure out the situation in our company in (off microphone) Indonesia.  Right now we have just 500,000 IP address that has allocated right now and we have a target until next year for 4 million customers of our ADS services.  So -- but even if we -- if we provide -- if we finish provided IPv6 this year, we still need IPv4.  What for?  For creating (off microphone) for our customers, since if we only give them IPv6, I think maybe there are some problem while accessing IPv4 content.  So even we have a planning to provide IPv6 for our customers, we still need IPv4 for some times to create (off microphone) services.
So we try to change from first-generation IPv6 task force, and this is the update from 2009.  We -- we -- we implemented Indonesia (off microphone) and Internet change (off microphone) since 2009, and we create those so Web site -- we create Web site, IPv6 dot (off microphone) I.D.  This is simple but we have to do it.  And also we create IPv6 (off microphone) brokers help by as Internet service provider in Indonesia.  We launch -- we implemented 39 IPv6 (off microphone) allocation for ISPs Indonesia and may just use -- IPv6 (off microphone).  You can go to www.detik.  D-E-T-I-K in English means second.  So this is very famous portal accessed by Indonesia customer.  We help IPv6 workshops in training.  (off microphone) so for -- for a new ISP that will take license from the government, we put one item in the -- in the prerequested form that they have to start planning IPv6 implementation.
Most local (off microphone) support, so we talk to many vendors in IPv6 forum meeting to ask them to support us.  Actually IPv6 is a matter of obligation, not a matter of hardware.  So by create update for (off microphone) for software I think we can accept IPv6 software in (off microphone).  So to make this (off microphone) project, so government already launch last year, in 2009, that one of requirement in (off microphone) process is to have IPv6 ready in the mid (off microphone) in the device.  The next is IPv6 -- theory the government to have it ready, so we launch IPv6 (off microphone) requirement.  And IPv6 is one item of I've (off microphone).
The last is government IPv6 (inaudible).  So government -- all of government, obvious government site and government (off microphone) to stop planning IPv6 implementation, so they call operators that can support IPv6 in government site.
So we hold some workshop and training, and the DG, general director of (off microphone) in our country fairly support us to do these activities.
We create also mailing lists, and this is very active mailing list in our country.  But we have still a problem due to building awareness of manager, because manager always ask about how much the capital expenditure, how much the revenue will come from IPv6 (off microphone) and so on.  So this is still a problem until right now.  So --
Also the problem is building awareness of content providers, so content providers always say that we wait for readiness of the mid (off microphone).  So that's kind of chicken and egg problem.  For this problem we have action plan.  We talk to our government to -- maybe to invite management of big operators, manager of ISPs to involve them in IPv6 progress, and also from the government we ask them to support us about the policy.
Okay.  This is the updates for 2010.  That's three -- three big operators in Indonesia.  We already implemented IPv6 already in three operators, and most of major providers go IPv6 commerce, but the plan is for 2011.
So does this -- okay.  So from our -- I will first -- Indonesia (off microphone) in Bali help in -- I think in 9 June in 2010, and our minister come -- came and launched the staff of IPv6 implementation.  And we -- we state that we will -- we will try to be ready in 2013.  So by this -- by this summit we got some result, some good results.  Almost 60 blocks are requested by ISPs after this summit.  Also collective work between members to do some IPv6 projects, like connect -- connection between one university to others.  And also regular meetings are handled in turn by members.  So we do in turn from one members to other, so for this week in my office, and the next week in other office.  So we try to involve everyone to get in-line with IPv6 (off microphone).
So we try to in-line with deployment process of stakeholder.  So Don tried to create too optimistic target but couldn't reach you, so he just create some realistic target and we try hard to get it.
The new (off microphone) also contain -- to adopt our newest technology because maybe for last three years many -- many devices come in the market, and most of them will connect by IP, like -- like smartphone and other device -- other mobile device.  To fit with (off microphone) I said in the previous presentation about how many managers always ask about (off microphone) always ask about revenues.  This is some question that must be answered first by us, so we have to create a good answer for them to -- to ask for their support to implement IPv6 support in our (off microphone).  
And the last is to be solution of national projects, like (off microphone).  So this is the (off microphone).  We create several parts.  So for -- that's related to government, related big operators, related to medium, small (off microphone) and related to vendors and related to end users, so we tried to cover every segment of stakeholders that are related to IPv6.  Again, thank you very much for your time.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you very much.  Do we have any questions from the floor?  Okay.  I have a single question.  What kind of entities are involved with IPv6 forum and task force?  Task force is the government-established task force, but for IPv6 forum, I believe there are like some companies or academics or --

>> EDWIN PURWANDESI: Yeah.  Actually, person who is sitting in task force for them may be more than 70% -- in forum, it's the same percent.

>> Okay.

>> EDWIN PURWANDESI: As I said before that, we couldn't do activities that related to maybe aid from other countries fund, and since we have very tight policy in government (off microphone).  So if -- if the -- if we want to -- if we want to do activities that maybe support by -- supported by other countries, we do it in forum.  So -- but if our work is to create policy, is to create promotion strategy, we do it in task force.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: I see.  Thank you.

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: Okay.  So (off microphone) so I see you focus a lot of the ISP and the infrastructure (off microphone) so how about the dominions, the dot I.D. in Indonesia.  Do they support (off microphone) IPv6?

>> EDWIN PURWANDESI: Actually, one of -- sorry, one of -- several person from PANDI, that's a domain name in Indonesia, sitting in the task force.  So we create -- sorry, we ask them to support us to create some strategy to implement it in IPv6 task force.  We get into domain name.

>> Okay.  So far any actions for that?  Or any outcome?

>> EDWIN PURWANDESI: Yeah.  Yeah.  Actually we have several projects to try DNS for (off microphone) to create some Web site (off microphone) before we try to do something like (off microphone).  So we create some streaming -- radio streaming and video streaming and (off microphone).

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you.  Okay.  So now I would like to move to my presentation.  Okay.  Thank you.  First, I am Shoko Mikawa, representing the IPv6 Promotion Council in Japan and IPv6 task force for (off microphone).  Actually, I have been working on the (off microphone) over the Internet, in Asian region for over ten years until two years ago, so that's how I get to acquaintance with professor Shares, and today's workshop organizer.  Unfortunately she is not here today, but currently I am mainly working on the human resource development of IPv6 in Japan, and today I would like to show what Japan is doing for the capacity building of IPv6.  I will talk a bit in detail about this topic so please stop me if I talk too long.
Okay.  Why IPv6?  Well, let me illustrate what I think about the IPv6 first.  I think we all agree that there are not much novel ideas coming from IPv6.  It is just making the address space longer from the 32 bits to 128 bits.  However, it is the only solution so far to connect all the emerging devices and people to the Internet.  It's kind of jumping, but the founder quad year is saying that the direct connection to the software gave people the power of production, and Bangladesh's economy went up 2% with the introduction of cell phone.  And I believe that the same thing could happen to the IPv6 technology, especially for those places and people who are not connected to the Internet yet.  Direct connection means direct production from the people.
And we can also say that the user experiences, where the iPhones and home electronics is very exciting.  Maybe many of you saw Steve's presentation on September 1, the new devices of iPods, iPhones, the new introductions were very exciting, and we need IP addresses for connecting those devices.  Currently iPhones and iPad support the IPv6 technology already.  Well, iPod, you have to wait for maybe next OS introduction, but if you do some (off microphone) breaking then you can see the IPv6 addresses that are connected to the iPod.  
We can say that the connecting devices might give you a huge business jump, but in Japan -- in Japan, but I hear many companies are hesitating to integrate the IPv6 technology because they don't know the operation -- operating and managing cost of the IPv6 or know how for the integration, but waiting too much means those companies will be left aside for starting new services, which might have a great business chance.
As somebody from the main station mentioned, best way to predict the future is to create it.  And what people wish to do -- wish to -- that we should not be controlled by the unknown fear that might fail if we integrate the IPv6, but we should go to control the new technologies.
The second point is kind of the same, with this IGF meeting, but the Internet is a global social infrastructure and that things experienced at one place could happen at the other places and the experiences one has done should be shared globally, and we should learn from the experiences through the cooperation.  So we are -- what I'm stressing is that it might -- IPv6 might be a big business chance and we should cooperate to maintain and run this -- operate this -- the new technology, new infrastructure together in cooperation.
Okay.  So let me move to the activities in Japan.  There are -- to promote IPv6 there are mainly two multi-stakeholder organisations in Japan.  One is the IPv6 promotion council and the other is a task force for IPv4 (off microphone).  IPv6 promotion council was established in October 2000.  We have a long history and we have more than 200 organisations and individuals as members.  There is 100 organisations mainly consist of the companies.  And the task force for the IPv4 (off microphone) was established in September 2008.  This is a more new task force, and we have 22 Internet-related organisations, like ISP associations or (off microphone) or Japan Internet registry services or those Internet-related organisations in Japan.
And these two -- these two organisations are both -- both -- are given very much support from the ministry of the internal affairs in communications, and actually the task force has a member, MIC as a member.  And both organisations are promoting IP (off microphone) from various aspects in supported working groups.
Basically we have different activities for promoting five different activities for promoting IPv6, status check, enlightenment and publications, building guidelines and authenticating IPv6-ready activities, and technology verification and human resource developments.
Let me talk in more detail.  The first one is a status check.  We are doing a questionnaire, conducting questionnaire, to (off microphone) the IPv6 introduction status and to know what the obstacles to introduce IPv6 in the companies.  We -- in the last year, we've asked approximately 350 organisations, companies, and as you can see, 90% of the.  Average -- many percent of the organisations know that the IPv4 address is actually exhausting, but now, currently, about 25% of those organisations have actually introduced the IPv6 or services into their products.  So many companies are still waiting, what is the right time for introducing IPv6.
So that's the status check.  And for the enlightenment and publications, as part of the enlightenment and publication activities we are proposing the action plans for Internet service provider, Internet data center, application service provider, content service provider and business users to show what are the steps that they should take to introduce IPv6.  
This is the example from the Internet service providers' action plan.  We are publishing this action plan on the Web publicly so that the people who want to persuade their colleagues or their bosses at the company can utilize this action plan.  (off microphone) it takes about two years to integrate the IPv6 in a (off microphone) network after the decision made by the manager-level person.  But the good information is that the NTT is starting the IPv6 service in the next April that has the old fiber connection to the home, and that it seems some of the companies are targeting that time frame to integrate IPv6 into their network.
And we are also conducting events and seminars for enlightening the manager-level people and operators to share the information of IPv6 (off microphone) and explain about the latest status on IPv6 service and products.  We are also preparing list of IPv6-ready services and list of IPv6 technology certification programmes, so that people can know what kind of IPv6 services are out there and how they were certified as IPv6-ready services.
And for building the guidelines, we are creating the term transition (off microphone) model, that is a sample network topology and a multi-vendor configuration examples, including Cisco (off microphone) Juniper (off microphone) and those multi-vendor routers and switches for the Internet service provider and cable network TV service provider.
We're also creating the guideline for building the IPv6 home routers that can support IPv6 services offered by NTT next April.  And we are certificating ISPs and education programmes as IPv6 ready.
I know that the IPv6 forum has also started to certify education programmes to give the IPv6 ready (off microphone) and we are thinking about to collaborate with those activities, the global activity of IPv6 (off microphone).
And for the technology verification, we are building two test (off microphone) in Tokyo, in Osaka, to verify -- to verify the network and devices or services that a company or a government or any organisation wants to verify.  We've got global (off microphone) 21 IPv4 address and 32 IPv6 address and additional devices for this so any organisation can test their network services or devices before putting them into the promotional level.  The test bed environment is offered by the ministry of internal affairs and communications and we do not charge to use this for utilizing the test bed.  And this test bed is actually open to anyone, even from the overseas companies.  So we've done hundreds of seminars using this test bed from Singapore so far, and if any of you are interested in utilizing this test bed, maybe you can talk to me after this session.  And also we are also conducting interoperability testing for IPv6 devices.
And last one is human resource development.  We are conducting hands-on seminars to develop IPv6 ready operators, since (off microphone) since it is actually the operators who will work on the introduction of IPv6 technologies after all, and we are conducting this hands-on using actual devices like Cisco, axila and OS prepared for each topics we have, ISP network, ISP network, servers, cable TV network and multi-castter as the topics, and as output, some of the materials are actually translated in English, and then published on the Web site.  So if you are interested in downloading and seeing the materials, you are welcome.
And with those I.D. activities the IPv6 promotion council and the IP task force for IPv4 (off microphone) is doing, and with all the before mentioned activities we are trying to share, now sharing those information with other countries also.
We've signed the MOU between Taiwan, Thailand and Singapore and trying to sign with India, Malaysia and Indonesia.  While we are -- what we are proposing is we should declare that we are going to the next phase, not just waiting and see what happens with IPv6.  We are sharing the information, knowledge and experiences, but it is not enough.  We should work together to create common infrastructures such as DNS, and conducting interoperability testing for sustainability Internet.  We should collect the data and analyze the data for better and more (off microphone) Internet usage and we should explore new (off microphone) like green IP.  
Last but not least, what moves a society is human beings, and we propose the exchange of human resources for creating the greater world and for the future.  And that's all I have to say.  Thank you.  If anybody has questions, please feel free to ask me.
Okay.  So thank you very much.
So let's move on to the presentation by (off microphone) .my DOMAIN REGISTRY.

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: Hello.  My name is Lai, so I'm from Malaysia and my company is .myDOMAIN REGISTRY (off microphone) in Malaysia.
So I'm here just want -- today I just want to share some experience for earth for how Malaysia dot (off microphone) IPv6 project for the (off microphone) registry systems.  So the project called myDSNIPv6.
So the first -- before I show -- I want to show you what is the -- between IPv6 and DNS.  So getting the IP address of the remote -- the remote end point is necessary for every communications between TCP/IP applications or any electronic devices.  So when the IP address is a combination of a group of numbers, so which is the (off microphone) for IP (off microphone) and they are able to memorize millions of IP addresses, especially the IPv6 address.  This way, DNS is playing a very important role.  This is to map the IP address to the domain names, and DNS is one of the most important components that must take into considerations when doing IP (off microphone) migrations.  Okay.
So about the project.  9 project called my DNS IPv6 project.  So myDNSIPv6 is one of the .my DOMAIN REGISTRY projects, so the objective for the project is to actualize and facilitate IP (off microphone) IPv4 to IPv6 -- in Malaysians, communications, and multimedia (off microphone) this is my IPv6 -- this is one of our government ICT agenda, which has been formed in 2006.
So these agendas IPv6 is one of the infrastructure and for the government agency which will be adopt IPv6 by 2008, but unfortunately we missed that, so now we revise the timeline to 2011, and to provide IPv4 and IPv6-enabled DNS registry systems.  So the main topic will be to register my domain IPv6 DNS support.
So in very beginning, so our government or -- we already realized that, so if you want to promote IPv6 in the country, so you -- the first thing that you must do is to let your domain names support IPv6 first.  So that's why we have started this project in 2007.
So what we have done for the host projects, by -- from -- phase by phase, so the first is we going to study and send some engineer for training for IPv6.  In 2007.  So there's very difficult to get an experienced engineer, who was familiar with IPv6 at the time.  That's why we have to spend some time for studying and training.  Then after that we simulate our registration system test (off microphone).  So -- after that we request the IP (off microphone) connectivity from the ISP, and after that we get IPv6 and test it and do some testing.
So after (off microphone) IPv6 (off microphone) for the IP recess connectivity and security (off microphone), and after that only we (off microphone) to productions, and after we point to productions there's a lot of (off microphone) we need to do.  So this is a guideline that you have done for our project.
So let's show you some project, architecture.  So our system, our registry system is very simple.  So order -- a small company or SMI company should have similar architecture from the ISP to the router, and then we have firewall, we have ISP and then we have some server behind the ISP we had the firewall.  And our server is a DNS server, and of course we have database and also Web server and email server.
So what was done here is we make sure all the equipment, the (off microphone) equipment, IPv6 support, so especially, firewall, ISP and our DNS server.  So we need to make sure all this is support IPv6.  So if one of that not support, then we have to change it.
And then after that we enable orders that the equipment to support IPv6, then we need to do some testing.  We need to come up with some test case in order to test all of the equipment, so to ensure that equipment support IPv6.  So what we have done is we configure ISP equipment to order -- and we test by using IPv6 protocol, so this is to ensure that OS supports IPv6 and the IPv6 (off microphone) be able to go to the (off microphone), and also to ensure the firewall be able to filter based on the IPv6 address.
So after we order equipment, then we have -- we need to do something on the DNS (off microphone).  So what the DNS activities I mentioned is the DNS (off microphone) (off microphone) transfer and also the DNS extensions for IPv6.  So we use a big (off microphone) IPv6 on DNS, and IPV for only DNS and also the IPv6 and IPv4 (off microphone) DNS.  So this is to ensure that DNS clearly can be function mainly between IPv4 only or IPv6 only or both address and also to ensure that the IPv6 protocol is the preferred protocol for the process.
So somebody we do (off microphone) transfer.  For DNS extensions we create a (off microphone) for domains and do a (off microphone) to it -- to the (off microphone) server to make sure the (off microphone) size is larger than the file (off microphone).  So this is to ensure that the (off microphone) do not get lost if the (off microphone) size is (off microphone).  Because when we're adding additional -- IPv6, so it might affect the (off microphone) file, and we need to make sure the whole (off microphone) file will be transferred.
And after the DNS activity we also have some modification on our Web interface and also the database.  So waive done for our Web interface, for the new registration, the (off microphone) names, we allow user to put in the IPv6 address for the DNS, and the same thing goes for the domain notification page.
So what we test is we put a different (off microphone) for the IPv6 into the IPv6 (off microphone) and insure that the IPv6 address is 128 long (off microphone) and separate by column.  So any inverted IPv6 address should be filtered out and not allowed to insert to our database.  So for our database, with addition of (off microphone), which is to keep other ISP with that information.  So here's are changes to our interface.  So basically what we have done is increase sections.  One is in our network.  Another one is in our DNS, and a third one is the Web interface.
So this is the Web interface that we have done.  So you can see that there is additional field for IPv6.  So IPv4 is a compulsory field.  IPv6 is optional.  So the user, or the domain owner, can add the IPv6 for the DNS.  So (off microphone) a DNS server, to create, you can use an ISP address as well, so this is two major interface that we have changed.  So of course IPv4 is still (off microphone) mandatory.  IPv6 is optional.  So this is a test that we have done, so we started the test bit in 17 July, 2007 and close it on 13th of August.  So we have 181 participants and 50 testing (off microphone).  And this is the certificate for our secured audit and the ISP connectivity.
So as our project (off microphone) today, so we have launched a project on the 23rd November, 2008, (off microphone) my domain names, so user can submit their IPv6 address registration or the modification page, and there are members 127 (off microphone) IPv6, 297 -- 296 (off microphone).  So we are (off microphone) IPv6 (off microphone) in 2009 and 2010, and those become a member of ISP working group in Malaysia, so our Web site (off microphone) triple from firms IPv6 Web site from last year.  We also (off microphone) in the second phase of IPv6 audit for all ISP in December 2009.  So we provide a venue for the look-up cross test, for other ISP.
Working closely with hosting providers in Malaysia now.  So I (off microphone) address the DNS server and (off microphone) hosting services.  So what we have done is we form a group, a working group with them and try to subsidize some monetary incentive to them for those ISP -- for those hosting provided -- IPv6 hosting services.
So this is the -- some programmes we have done.  So basically we have a (off microphone) in different stations in Malaysia and (off microphone) group in -- the importance of DNS and the (off microphone) migration from IPv4 to IPv6 or (off microphone), and those are some (off microphone), so we have a really comprehensive four-day technical workshop on DNS technology, especially focused on IPv6 and DNS, since 2006, and also from time to time we also published from (off microphone) to educate the public, and this year we also (off microphone) to promote the adoption of and usage of the IPv6.  This is a Web site -- okay.  For those Web site that IPv6 enable, then we have a (off microphone).
So this (off microphone) that is (off microphone) for our registrations now.  As for August, last month, the last month with about 105 domain names registered, and the domain that DNS IPv6, only about 4,000 or (off microphone), so this is a really, really (off microphone), so it's not up to 2%, I think.
So the conclusions is that DNS is one of the important components for promoting the IPv6, so without DNS we would not (off microphone) the IP address to you, so match them to the IP address, so a good practice for the IPv6 is to start up simulations, environments, so what we have done is we set up exactly environment our productions, and we do the migrations in this environment.
So you need to (off microphone) when request (off microphone) connectivity from the -- when we request the IPv6 connectivity from the ISP.  So you need to have -- talk to the right person.  So when the persons or the account managers that handle your account to entertain you, or when this person not understand what IPv6 or each (off microphone) or related companies that IPv6 are not, so it's very difficult to delete.
And (off microphone) -- when they say they can provide IPv6 to you, but the setup in the router and the IP address that (off microphone) to you, so you need to instruct (off microphone), but if I -- publish or not the IP address, okay?  So these ISP -- still more than half year to verify all of this and get these things fixed.  Okay?
And of course you need to have a very solid testing to the IPv6 enabled device, so we've done a lot of testing to our -- our test (off microphone) our simulate environments (off microphone) to the productions.  And so (off microphone) for you to company auditor to do a IPv6 connectivity audit and also a security audit of all the departments.  So anyway, we launched IPv6 project (off microphone) support IPv6 DNS since 2009 -- 2008.  But the it's still very -- there's a lot of evidence (off microphone) is needed to be conducted.  So that's my presentation.  Thank you.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you very much.  Any question from the floor?  Okay.  I have a question.  I saw you in the presentation that you have some education programmes, four-day workshop --

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: Sorry?  Education?

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Education workshop for the training.

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: Oh, yes, yes.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: And who are you targeting as the education programmes and what kind of contents are you proposing?

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: Oh, okay.  So all the workshop that we conduct, our focus on the DNS.

>> DNS.


>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Developing the DNS servers or --

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: Yeah.  So basically there's four days comprehensive workshop, so the first day basically is -- is a workshop to train the engineer, set up the DNS server.  Then second would be focused on IPv6 (off microphone) the DNS server.  The third day will be focused on DNS (off microphone), so enable that DNA for the server.  And the last days will be focused on (off microphone).  So this is a four-day comprehensive workshop that we conduct in 2006.  This year we also plan to have another one, but it will be only two days workshop.  We'll concentrate on DNS.  We also are going to launch DNS (off microphone).  So we plan to have a hands-on workshop for DNS.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Okay.  And do you have any certification programmes or something in certifying the DNS server that it's really IPv6-ready or what?

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: In Malaysia I believe that (off microphone) this experience, the (off microphone) programmes.  So even our audit (off microphone) IPv6 connectivity is -- we are (off microphone) Web 6 to do that.  So I'll show you the -- in the slide.  (off microphone) 6.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you very much.  Any --

>> AUDIENCE MEMBER: I have a question.  Is there an (off microphone) I mean regarding to certification, is there (off microphone) for international -- (off microphone) with international certification or maybe local certification but in conjunction with hardware certification, like (off microphone) or something?

>> LAI HENG CHOONG: No, not at the moment, but we plan to have that.  What we plan to do is we plan to (off microphone) ISC, which is the (off microphone), so (off microphone) adoption from them or what, for our (off microphone) programme.  Buying -- DNS I'm talking about is also (off microphone).

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Okay.  Thank you.  Any other question from the floor?  Okay.  Is somebody connected from the remote?  No?  Okay.  Hello.  We can see you but maybe we cannot hear you, so it's kind of unfortunate.  In today's workshop we were trying to illustrate the -- what are the practical things that we are doing in each of our countries, and I think we had a very good understanding of the trials that we are making in our country, and I hope we can collaborate together in the future, in the near future, to accelerate this IPv6 thing.
So maybe last remarks from both of you?

>> So what -- basically what we are doing is focus on the domain names on our countries, the domain names and the IPv6 we're doing is (off microphone) or domain names.  So if (off microphone) want to share experience, then you will come and we'll try our best to help out.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you.

>> I think from our view, in Indonesia we still try to convince some management level to support these activities, but actually we are endorsed by last summit, by our last summit, since many director of operators signing to -- signing the chapter of IPv6 implementation.  So what -- what we will type right now is to create more contents to invite people to try IPv6.  So maybe good content from Malaysia or Japan might be -- could say to us, so we -- we could promote to our Internet (off microphone).

>> Thank you.

>> SHOKO MIKAWA: Thank you.  So if there are nothing from the floor, then we would like to conclude our workshop.  Thank you for being here.